>>> for more on the tax cut debate and outsourcing, and a lot of other issues, i'm joined by former new hampshire governor, former chief of staff, john sununu . governor, great to see you again.
>> nice to talk to you, andrea . how have you been?
>> i've been very well, thank you. here we are, 47-47. it doesn't look as though either of them are moving the needle. mitt romney today, you just saw in colorado, one of the important battleground states , making the point that president obama has an outsourcing problem.
>> yeah. he does. and the outsourcing issue really causes two problems for president obama . one, it underscores his dishonesty. the ad they were running which all the independent fact-checking groups have said is dishonest ends with president obama saying i'm president obama and i approved this message. it should say i'm president obama , i approved this dishonest message. the second problem he has with outsourcing is that there is a huge amount of outsourcing which was driven by obama policy. the money -- the $ 500 million they gave to fisker created jobs in finland. the solar energy grants they gave and created jobs in mexico. the wind turbine grants they gave created jobs in denmark. so the point that i think is really interesting is that the outsourcing issue underscores how few smarts there are in this white house and in this obama campaign that they expose themselves to the response criticism that i think unlike what mr. cillizza said is going to end up a winning issue for mitt romney .
>> isn't it a winning issue for the white house fundamentally, granted that the politifact folks and the white house pointed out the president's campaign ad on that issue had a lot of questions and a lot of questionable attack lines --
>> they said it was wrong. a lot of questions is not right. it was wrong.
>> but the point is that isn't mitt romney more vulnerable than the president on this issue, because there still is the whole question of private equity , of outsourcing, you could argue about when he left bain capital and whether he was still getting money from bain capital and what some of the companies in bain were doing, companies that did end up working overseas and sending jobs overseas, but isn't it a bigger problem for republicans than for the white house ?
>> no. when you send $ 500 million to fisker and it goes to finland immediately, when you send the solar money and it goes to mexico, when you send the turbine money and it goes to denmark and we can go on all day. there's $ 29 billion worth of purchases that came out of this administration outsourced jobs to foreign countries. mitt romney outsourced zero. obama outsourced --
>> zero?
>> zero. he wasn't there when those issues came up.
>> well, first of all, the $ 29 billion are not all outsourced from the administration.
>> sure they are.
>> a lot of those jobs still remained here. there are jobs, when you do a grant, governor, there are jobs here as well as overseas.
>> you're struggling, andrea . you're struggling.
>> well, first of all, first of all, these are competing claims and we will get back to you with all of the numbers. but --
>> let's talk about the 3% you brought up. you want to talk numbers?
>> let's talk about the joint committee on taxation .
>> but that 3% represents the group of small businesses that create the bulk of the jobs under small businesses . they're the larger ones. so they don't create 3% of the jobs. it means 3% of the small businesses which create the majority of the jobs. so give --
>> that's not what the joint committee on taxation says, sir.
>> yes, it is. yes, it is. they create most of the jobs involved.
>> that is not what glen kesler with the " washington post " or the joint committee on taxation said. they said that only 3% of the small businesses are correctly categorized as small businesses and are affected by this tax proposal.
>> that's right. but they are the bigger ones and it's the bigger ones that create most of the jobs.
>> and the other point that gets lost in all of this is that even the millionaires get a tax cut up to $ 250,000.
>> you know, it's interesting that the president again chooses to demonstrate why he has ruined this economy. he doesn't understand why he is behind the eight ball with 8.2% unemployment. he's behind the eight ball because those people who invest in jobs that want to put money into create jobs look at this administration and are scared to death of things like this tax and like overregulation. all he's done with what he put out yesterday is convince them that if obama is elected, they're taking their investment money out of the country.
>> governor, if you believe that tax cuts are good for the economy, why not go along with what the president suggested and support, why aren't republicans supporting a tax cut for the $ 250,000 people and less and come back after the election and deal with the millionaire issue?
>> well, the question is why aren't the republicans -- it's not why the republicans aren't supporting that. it's why all those democratic senators are opposing president obama . senator mccaskill, tester, conrad, there's about half a dozen to a dozen democrats in the senate who will oppose this foolishness from the president. there's about five handfuls of democratic representatives in the house who will oppose this foolishness --
>> you're talking about -- you are talking clearly about tester, mccaskill, ben nelson , bill nelson , rather, in florida, talking about senators in close races who are clearly not going to support what the president is doing here.
>> well, he's doing it to his democratic party , what he did when he sent up a budget and lost in the house by 414-0 and in the senate, 98-0. all he cares about is himself. he doesn't care about the people that support him politically and frankly, i think this is just a repetition of a desperate act by a president who wants to create class warfare . it's why he's going to lose.
>> to be continued. always a pleasure to see you, governor.
>> thank you, andrea . best to you.
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